Make Defog Clear Weather

[kylix]

why am i asking for this when people have said staff won’t do this? because changing defog to clear weather would mirror what it does in the main games. in the main games, defog removes hazards from both sides of the field, which makes it competitively viable. incidentally, hazards typically can only be removed by defog or rapid spin.

weather? weather is set upon a specific pokemon’s entry on the floor and can only change when a new pokemon spawns… or when a weather changing move is used. the situation is similar to the state of competitive pokemon before defog was buffed… so why can’t defog be buffed here to honor how it acts in the main games?

[Leostel]

I suggested as much previously, and received this as a response:

Defog Change

Can’t say I agree with this – it makes sense to have it blow away weather and hazards that can be blown away. Making it do more than that feels like trying to rejigger a tool for a job it wasn’t meant for – just because it can be done doesn’t mean it should be done; that’s best left to something else, whether it exists already or just hasn’t been made yet Outside of that, we ought to make it so Cloud Nine holds effect even if a weather ability pokemon spawns afterwards.

Granted, I still stand by nearly all the points I made then. But it sounded to me like it’s not the preferred solution.

[kylix]

In response to it not making sense for defog to clear weather: why can a ferret, a rat, and numerous cats make use of electricity, shoot icy energy beams, and/or breathe fire? why can a skunk explode and breathe fire? …why does moonlight heal more in sunny weather.

If none of that makes sense, congratulations, you’re thinking too much about pokemon and what can and can’t make sense in a world where you can’t burn down tiny trees and need a specific move to cut them down.

[Arti811XD]

I think the main reason behind making defog not clear weather is it will basically make c9 unnecessary. Therefore to preserve the usefulness of that ability they opt into keeping defog the way it is.

Futhurmore, defog is already buggy rn and doesn’t always clear traps.

[kylix]

so electric, normal, psychic, dark, and ghost types have to suffer because a gigalith or pelipper spawned while training in skylift/glitter? besides, sunny day, rain dance, sandstorm, and hail exist. do those make weather rocks unnecessary?

[Arti811XD]

basically. Also, that’s why you have those weather moves…

If defog was a thing, clear rock would lose it value significantly tbh.

Also, defog only clears fog, not all weather. But if you are implying only fogs get cleared, im on the same boat as you.

[Deleca]

@kylix

Changing defog to clear weather would mirror what it does in the main games.

It wouldn’t though, since It already does remove traps ( and fog ). It has already been given a PMU-equivalent of the move’s effect along with the screens thing I believe.

@Arti811XD

I think the main reason behind making defog not clear weather is it will basically make c9 unnecessary. Therefore to preserve the usefulness of that ability they opt into keeping defog the way it is.

If that was the main reason It probably would’ve been mentioned In any of the staff replies In the linked thread.

@Andy

Can’t say I agree with this – it makes sense to have it blow away weather and hazards that can be blown away

The main reason Is that It simply doesn’t make sense.

In response to it not making sense for defog to clear weather: why can a ferret, a rat, and numerous cats make use of electricity, shoot icy energy beams, and/or breathe fire ? why can a skunk explode and breathe fire? …why does moonlight heal more in sunny weather.

Pokemon are not animals and what moves they can or can’t learn Is a lot different then whether or not Defog shouldn’t be able to blow away the sun or rain clouds. Normal-types can learn a lot of moves to make up for their typing. A Skunk exploding Is rather In character If you ask me lol. And Moonlight heals more In sun because It’s a clone of Morning Sun, and there’s no other weather condition that would make sense for It to heal more In ( In the main games, the weather Is likely to be clear most of the time, so If It healed more In clear weather, that’d be OP ).

I don’t feel like because Pokemon “doesn’t use logic” that we should try to make defog clear weather It wouldn’t be able to In neither the main games or side games.

@Arti811XD

Futhurmore, defog is already buggy rn and doesn’t always clear traps.

Idk, you might be confusing the effect. It clears traps which have been stepped on and are visible ( I don’t know how It reacts to traps placed via Items ). But I never use Defog so I could be wrong.

C9 Is still necessary because of the convenience. It’s just a lot more easier when speedrunning stuff to be able to just use C9 rather than deal with the delay of using a move each floor, especially If you have to switch.

Also, defog only clears fog, not all weather. But if you are implying only fogs get cleared, im on the same boat as you.

It already clears fog In PMU Is the thing. People would still use a Clear Rock even If Defog did clear all weather.

I still think rather than debating over whether or not Defog should be buffed, having C9 lock the weather to clear for a while when triggered would solve the Issue.

[Arti811XD]

@Deleca

Idk, you might be confusing the effect. It clears traps which have been stepped on and are visible ( I don’t know how It reacts to traps placed via Items ). But I never use Defog so I could be wrong.

Afaik defog can sometimes still fail to clear traps that are visible, dunno if it’s still a thing but I know for sure defog sometimes fail to clear traps.