I posted the whole log in my first post but you chose not to read it even though I warned that everyone should read everything in there several times. It’s your fault, so don’t start blaming me for it.
I posted the whole log in my first post but you chose not to read it even though I warned that everyone should read everything in there several times. It’s your fault, so don’t start blaming me for it.[/quote]
I updated my post. Like I said, I never said that, and I never blamed you for anything.
Oh look a staff member who does his job silencing the masses. Disrespectful is how the staff team has been treating Artmax’s complaint, Haxdreinite insulting Art and completely missing the point of the post, me being treated like chopped liver when there wouldn’t even have been new sprites without my pressing for a group to be created (Then subsequently removed from the team because I DARED to voice a complaint), and staff once again, ignoring people’s reasonable complaints. This feud has been going on for ages, and thus you have no place telling us who is truly disrespectful. Now, of course you can delete my post again, and mute/ban me from the forums, thus proving everything I’ve been saying right, or you can grow a skin and take the criticism, insults, and, god forbid, words. You can mute and ban me in game, which wouldn’t do a single bit of difference, since I no longer really play the game, and have been urging Artmax to stop working in this toxic enviroment. So please do tell Carlos, what consequences can you mete out? It certainly isn’t going to be anything that hasn’t been done before, will affect me, or whatnot. The most you can do is delete my posts, and ban/mute me, thus proving the whole “Staff can get away with anything, but once a player does it, its open season on the player”.
And while we’re all on the subject of respect, none of the staff team outside of Nuxl and Fennes are deserving of it, and maybe Coki. Nuxl because he’s finally implementing a ton of the code that Art had written, and Fennes because shes probably still running that mess of a sprite group. And Coki because they’re being reasonable.
There’s a big difference between constructive criticism and just flat out being disrespectful. I will take the time to involve myself with the former, but I will not waste my time with the latter.
This has been going off topic for a while (heck I even contributed a little) so I’d like to suggest we keep our posts about the OP’s posts and keep it that way. Thanks.
Artmax, you may be talking about the past with money there but I’m talking about NOW. You are still complaining about the money NOW. It’s NOW that money isn’t an issue which is why you shouldn’t be complaining about money NOW.
Now go read everything ever said in this thread and you will realize that you are literally being off-topic ever since your first reply. And to reply your pointless question that I answered many times within the logs and then the thread anyway, it’s not about getting the money but about suffering poverty and empty promises for 2 years.
The thing is, it has indeed been relevant. This post, while addressing the stone, is mainly directed at how the staff is being 1. Incredibly disrespectful, 2. Unprofessional, 3. Incompetent, 4. Corrupt, and 5. Messy. Now tell me how that is off topic.
Not to mention Haxdrei, the whole point of this post is not money, but on a promise that was given, but is now being treated as void. As staff, they have an obligation to fulfill their promises, EVEN if it’s a person they dislike (because god forbid anyone disagree with them) It has never had anything to do with money.
In fact, lets put this in a more reasonable way in a form that you may be able to understand. Imagine your mom promising to buy you Pokemon Sun/Moon. Now give it 2 years, without aforementioned sun/moon. Now you ask your mom again. She takes ages to respond, and when she does, its with a laugh and a “I don’t care if I promised you, no.” Now, does that get through your skull? Because apparently well reasoned arguments don’t.
I honestly don’t see too much of an issue with the staff team. They are players who go out of hand and need to be dealt with. Also, certain people may not become staff because other staff members don’t get along with the person who applied. While this may not seem fair, it does have so logic to it. If staff members can’t get along and constantly argue, then nothing is going to get accomplished. If staff get along with each other and can, therefore, agree on things, then things can be more productive.
PMU7, not counting PMU6 here, has been up for nearly 6 years iirc. that is quite a bit of time for a game to stay up. Players may not like things are run at times but look at how much we have in the game. we don’t have everything, sure, but we still have a lot which gives us plenty to do to have fun.
Suggestions are constantly made and staff go through all of then and decides what is best for the game and its players. When i say players, i mean ALL players. New and veterans are thought about.
Many of you may not like how things are run but if staff were doing as made at managing the game as some people claim, them PMU wouldn’t even still be alive.
Give staff some credit for how far this game has come despite the challenges and roadblocks along the way
The game hasn’t come far, in fact it’s been stagnating for ages. Fixes are there, they’ve only now been implemented despite existing for a while. Any sort of progress is not due to the staff doing anything, but in fact do to the efforts of the community. You would not have any new scripts, game mechanics, or bug fixes if not for Artmax. You would not have so many new sprites if not for me. A staff team is not here to be useless and only releasing dungeons. A staff team is to be doing the dev work (Coding, sprites). You not seeing an issue with the staff team only shows your inexperience in the game world. This game’s traffic (Player population) is incredibly low. New players join for a few days, then leave after playing for around a month. This game survives solely on the fact that there is no other PMD MMO alternative, not because a lot of people want to keep playing it. I guarantee if a better alternative to this game was created, with proper promotion, it would be vastly more popular, and this game will likely continue keep struggling on like a dying animal because of the person paying for the server.
And yet you seem to always throw a tantrum even against the staff when something you don’t like happens.
If staff just add their buddies as other staff and not add people who will actually work then nothing will get accomplished.
Staying up is about the best you can say about it. There has been little to no change within the last 2 years ever since Pikachu got the boot and Sprinko disappeared. (again, something I already addressed in the logs)
We’ve had this much in the game pretty much ever since before the last two administrations. Before you say it, no, a few dungeons and some Pokemon don’t qualify as “change” when we still have gamebreaking bugs, poor AI, shallow gameplay and the rest of the issues (yet another thing I mentioned in the logs)
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Everything I’m telling you is pretty much what I already addressed that you just won’t bother to read and talk even more things you ignore.
Do you know why the game really still lives? Because Drake pays for the server out of his pocket. There are probably a few players doing so too but I have really not heard about that for a long while.
And yet you’re just ignoring how much I’ve made personally and making me out as the villain. Just because I’m not a staff so I’m not worth sucking up to. Is that it?
STOP making irrelevant comments, I’m not going to put it out of the question that you’re just trying to give staff a legitimate reason to close this thread by throwing junk around.
As I said in the ODP chat, you were told - AT THE TIME OF BUYING THE ITEM - it would be a dud. Useless for the time being. There, as far as I am aware, have not been lies. While you may have been promised it would work it certainly wasn"t at the time of buying it.
My problem with the idea of Megas is that we, in my opinion, shouldn"t let it work for you before we have a system in place. I am all for letting it work, despite you being the only one with it, when a PROPER mega system is in place. That we can agree on.
Gentle reminder, though. The staff team do not have to accept every suggesting you guys make. Just like we"re not going to accept every suggestion a staff member makes. I have had many of my ideas rejected. Not all of them are going to be beneficial for PMU or even fit in (remember the many requests of trading pokemon?) with how PMU works. We are more than happy to discuss our reasons for this.
Consequently, the ODP became toxic. It became a place which allowed players to bash staff, which isn"t acceptable, and a general toxic environment. People would bash other people"s suggestions and it was just a whole negative mess. This is why the move to Trello occurred. I am more than happy to add anybody to the Trello board, if need be.
Do note blood, staff bashing wouldn’t be happening if the staff actually did their jobs. As I addressed long ago, new dungeons and just casually adding new pokemon just isn’t going to cut it. If you guy’s can’t take the insults, then don’t be staff. Don’t go sticking your neck out saying “Hey, I’m in charge, but I’m not gonna do the responsibilities that come with it.” then turning tail and running the moment people start displaying their displeasure at the lack of content, relevant updates, and bugfixes. I get you guys have lives. But if your lives are gonna take that much of a precedence over this responsibility you guys took up as staff members, then you guys should step down, not continue to clog up the place, slow down the process of fixing the game, and being incredibly disrespectful. You guys have not been respecting the community and the job that comes with being staff, and thus, you get no respect. Don’t go complaining about the ODP chat becoming toxic when you guys over there in staff lala land’s lack of action are the cause of all of it.
I just can’t believe what’s going on here, I’m really dissapointed of the staff team I thought you were.
First of all, I think we all agree when I say that we are here to spend a nice time with our friends whatever the activities we’re into, and what I thought (guided by logic), contributions would be appreciated and supported in order to make a better game, to keep growing up and not to stay behind taking in consideration other PMD MMO’s, which would lead to a bigger community, more contributions, more activity, more of everything that’s benefical for PMU, but it seems I’m wrong.
I really wanted to skip this, but I meditate it as fundamental to point out what is wrong with us, as players and staff members, proper comunication.
[3:38:08] ?Erladino?: I’ll say this, I’ll wait for a majority of the team to respond, and get back to you with the final answer. Already copy-pasted your reasons to them. If your reasons convince them, awesome. If not, it’s going to be a dud until the team decides otherwise.
I want you to pay attention to the “If your reasons convince them, awesome. If not, it’s going to be a dud until the team decides otherwise.”
What kind of people that joined the staff member in order to fullfill PMU’s main goals (and which I think I already stated at the beggining) acts in a way that makes you think it’s working the opposite?
If your contribution isn’t really a contribution to the game, it shouldn’t be added, I totally agree with this idea, but for that, reasons, critics, explanations, motivations are supposed to be given out, so if my contribution wasn’t good enough, I wouldn’t feel hurt, the motivations would actually help me to do a better job the next time, right? right, so, if people’s contributions keep being ignored and or not being taken in consideration, people will just leave, simply as that, consequences of this are not even needed to say.
And as for the staff bashing being unacceptable, it is in fact COMPLETELY acceptable, and comes with the role. If you can’t take it, once again as I stated before, step down. Being a game staff is not the job for you.
That’s right, it was BEFORE I bought the rock when I asked Andy if it’s legit so I wouldn’t waste money on a “dud”, but you again ignore that point that I’ve brought up many times in the logs.
Staff sold me a mega stone with a promise that it will work later. No one gave a damn for 2 years. I gave everyone in the ODP chat 5 days to voice their concerns, bumped it another time, then another 5 hours passed until it was added. No reasons were given except just “no”. It’s the staff team’s fault, just admit it already.
And how often do any suggestions get done? Name the last suggestion that was accepted that’s not a complete triviality.
Oh, so bashing ArtMax is perfectly fine but should anyone say anything about the dear staff it’s UNPARDONABLE. Staff had 7 days to resolve this peacefully. Instead we got the “staff won’t let it live because we don’t wanna” thing we get all the time. Trello does not consolidate IM very well. You know, like ODP chat. And I’ll let you know that most people are still in the ODP chat, disagreeing about how staff work, we have a live feed on this thread. Only a few staff ran away as well as some loyalists that ragequit and just people that didn’t want to bother anymore.
What if the player actually works hard? If they just add players they’re friends with, nothing will get done. They have to learn to work with people they’re not okay with. It’s like that in school and in the workplace, so why not in a staff team?
That’s the only positive thing. I wouldn’t really call the addition of more dungeons and Pokemon as a change.
If staff are still like this, I doubt it’ll go on for long.
Yet you’re making ArtMax out as a villian, even though he isn’t in the wrong?
This is pretty much the case.
I wish Sprinko was back, He wouldn’t let things get this conflicted without making a public statement.
In response to Coki saying they are looking for a way to implement it properly…
Couldn’t mega evos just be forme changes? At least let the players decide this, use strawpoll or something, lord… Why are staff against absolutely everything players would find fun and even entice them back to playing again.
I think all players would want that rather than just some quick 1 floor powerup that will last 20 seconds if that before you find the stairs… way to remove any of the excitement of such a desired feature, if you go that route.
It wouldn’t make anyone more OP than they can already get with family items/dusts/silks etc.
(If anything it would give staff an excuse to make these Hard Mode dungeons [Sprinko/Yatter wanted to add years ago through the use of the Mystery Part from Tanren Chambers] even harder than intended, making them truly for anyone that has got the very top end gear including mega stones)