No Need to reply, ty yall for speaking, I apologize for making this post
i think dev time is better used on other things.
i aIso Iike to refresh myseIf if i’m ever statused.
i don’t think it’s a big probIem? how often do ppI get refreshed against their wiII? (serious question). it doesn’t feeI Iike something that happens more than once a week
user referenced in ur post is not pIaying pmu anymore soo…
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To add on to Nett’s comment, people will have a bunch of Blight Clays they are willing to give. And even if you can’t find someone who has one, obtaining one is pretty easy. Just do a couple of runs in Cliffside and you’ll get a Blight Clay after a while. Sure, it may be a few minutes or a couple of hours wasted, but it can be worth it.
I do understand why it can be an issue though. To signal AFK, users do use sleeping to show they’re not active, especially for muted users that can’t change their status. But instead of restricting moves, why not have a shop in the Grassroot bazaar that allows users to buy Blight Clay? I feel like that would be easier than trying to code in those restrictions, especially if users are trying to heal off status in town so they can get to the inn to set their spawn instead of getting warped back to someplace else (which is… quite rare to be fair, but still probable).
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I’m aware he doesn’t play but it’s happened twice to others recently. and no it’s not a big problem it’s just annoying but i see your point.
Also to my knowledge it’s happened twice from what I’ve seen so yeah it isn’t a big problem but it does start drama when it does happen.
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I see your point yeah, I made this post out of frustration because It’s honestly just annoying at this point.
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I mostly find it annoying that I have to use an item to prevent being woken up because people go up to me and refresh me, or use lunar dance or something. I wish I didn’t have to use it.
With all due respect your angry over a incovience, you wish to ban something because it’s incovient for people to get a item in thier inventory.
banning a whole set of moves is pretty harsh thing to do, especially when doing that will also incovient other people,some people like to wake up from thier afk sleep by using refresh, so they don’t have to spam the attack key or walk to the inn everytime,
other poeple such as myself like to use moves in town to test them out, usually after i teach a pokemon a tm or use electrobuzz or pull it out of the assembly after i long time, i like to use use moves to get a feel for them so i can automatically use em in split second decision in dungeons without having to think about thier button location and range,
preventing the use a whole subset of moves in town would highly incovience me and other people in that front.
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Yeah I get your point, I apologize.
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Boo I missed the post :/ but I can see part of it on discord
everyone that replied on this are tolerant pushovers, and 3 people is far from a consensus. gg, I wish I could have a nice time in town all the time. I would agree 100% status healing moves should be banned in grassroot but it’s true the staff unfortunately have more important things to worry about. Personally, I would rather switch pokemon to walk to the inn instead of refreshing myself if it meant obnoxious people got the bigger L and couldn’t troll anymore. It’s really stupid to have to otherwise put up with people who find NOT PUSHING A BUTTON so extremelyyyyy difficult rather than just having courtesy for other players… even when it’s trivial.
Having to grab an item just to be on a sleep sprite undisturbed is incredibly dumb. At least it exists, though.
Sorry for posting on this with the original being deleted, but it annoys me how accepting people are of it. Yes it’s a minor inconvenience, but I really beef with the principle of the matter, and if people can’t behave, their toys should be taken away. Or put them in timeout, but yknow I doubt modmailing for every person with zero impulse control is gonna go over well, either. I guess it’s between a rock and a hard place, unfortunately, but y’all against extreme solutions better not breathe a word when people vent about it, because that’s literally all you can do.
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Quasar you got the mark so hard dude.
I know it doesn’t happen too often, but every time someone uses a status healing move in town, it usually results in drama. I’m not upset about having to use a blight clay, I’m upset that people literally cannot behave themselves and decide to troll because they don’t like people AFKing and minding their business, or just wanna start something for no reason.
Perhaps just Lunar Dance and Heal bell should just not be used in town, but then the core issue of people still running up and refreshing because of the random entertainment value is the problem.
I find it so inherently frustrating that this happens, and while it doesn’t happen often, when it does all it leads is people arguing and yelling at each other and I am sick of it, it literally happened yesterday which is why I made this post.
Having to use a blight clay isn’t my issue, my issue is that even IF I had a blight clay, people could still try to heal my sleep status and therein there’d still be some arguments ensuing over it.
I don’t know, I’m frustrated and irritated about the whole debacle.
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Wasn’t gonna reply since the name as changed, but since it seems this is gonna go on anyway.
Just use modmail. Like I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve been told by saff how they wish more people would actually report things rather than stewing on them (they put it a lot nicer than that).
If someone’s repeatedly doing something to annoy you or because you don’t like it, that’s harassment. Please report it.
I do also have to say that while I’m completely down with everyone having their own way to play, it’s a little annoying when making your pokemon be in a sleep animation is such an important thing that we’re fine with removing a whole list of moves from being used in town. A lot of people in guilds will end up running up to each other and waking each other up as mutually appreciated jokes. A few other people will lower their hp with poison and refresh themselves to get to specific numbers. I don’t think any of these are any more or less valid things to want to do, but only one of them constantly gets targeted to get removed even though both get used to harass people (multiple people have reported being annoyed by players running on top of them and using rest)
It’s not like I don’t sympathize with people doing annoying things you don’t like in town to some degree. It annoys me when the first thing a lot of people who are sleeping in town do when they wake up is spam /voice and /cry a million times in a row. Slightly more annoying when people’s response is “just turn off sfx” (if we’re talking people being too complacent). But I don’t think getting rid of the commands outright is needed.
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Please just modmail stuff if it’s bothering you rather than trying to get stuff other people enjoy removed
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Fair enough I completely agree and I will note that for future endeavors.
Apologies in advance to #forum-feed I wasn’t gunning to keep this thread alive. I would recommend against further debate, and please don’t take my mostly hypothetical arguments too seriously. I am simply sharing my thoughts on the matter.
I want it to be known I am also typing calmly and not feeling any active anger at the moment.
Just use modmail.
That’s great if they’ve bothered you in particular enough that you’ve seen them and know their username. If staff decides not to act? Double aggravation.
I do also have to say that while I’m completely down with everyone having their own way to play, it’s a little annoying when making your pokemon be in a sleep animation is such an important thing that we’re fine with removing a whole list of moves from being used in town.
I wouldn’t call it important. I wouldn’t argue that it’s important. I’d just like an ideal to have one less aggravation in the first place for hanging out in town, but I’m fully aware I either need to stop having emotions or leave. On the other hand, it’s like… 4 moves. I don’t see what the big deal is, the idea of disabling some moves, other than I don’t know if it would be tedious or difficult for staff to do.
Maybe it would be, since they banned all orbs from the overworld instead of … banning just Invisify Orbs from Grassroot. But that might be a completely different thing to manage in the code.
A lot of people in guilds will end up running up to each other and waking each other up as mutually appreciated jokes. A few other people will lower their hp with poison and refresh themselves to get to specific numbers.
let me play a sad song on the world’s smallest violin
Theoretically would people really be upset about that for more than like a day? They can find something else to do. Granted I could also touch grass, but it’s still weird to not get to chill peacefully on an mmo. There’s one Grassroot to hang out in, there’s many alternate ways for those people to entertain themselves and each other.
It annoys me when the first thing a lot of people who are sleeping in town do when they wake up is spam /voice and /cry a million times in a row. Slightly more annoying when people’s response is “just turn off sfx” (if we’re talking people being too complacent).
Admittedly shutting off sound every time I get out of a dungeon if I’m not going right back in kinda sucks, but I only keep it on if I feel like tolerating those… and the entry/exit sounds and drop sounds as well. Because of the latter I wouldn’t have it on anyway…genuinely idk why people who aren’t staff bother keeping it on unless they are the ones spamming. Also you can turn sound on and off without moving your character…
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I’d like to not be aggravated in the first place and modmail is far from a guaranteed solution. I don’t think it’s an important matter next to all the game’s needs, but I think most arguments against it are weak.
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While you recommended against further debate, I want to still share some extra thoughts.
I still feel like banning status-healing moves in town is too extreme of a solution. Even if that stops the sleep problem entirely in Grassroot Town, what about those who sleep camp in different places like Snowdin Town or one of the inns apart from dungeons? Or even just in the overworld? Users may find these sleeping users and use Refresh or Heal Bell to wake them up. How would you fix those places?
Certainly, Grassroot Town is the most popular to sleep at because its the hub town, and that’s where most newer users are. However, the ones who usually are sleeping in town are the ones who have played the game longer than anyone, so they would have Blight Clay in the first place and know what to do, and newcomers will follow suit and learn about how to stay asleep without being woken up.
Which is why I feel like having a shop with Blight Clay in Grassroot’s Bazaar or Kecleon Shop would be best. After all, Sleep Seeds were added to Kecleon Shop for those wanting to sleep in town without using Rest, so why not have Blight Clay be among the list?
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There is a shop in Tanren Undercity and you can buy a Blight Clay for 75 Ekop.
Also users who are AFK and have a blight clay, that’s their solution. They ain’t looking on PMU, they don’t see things going on, they all good.
The issue arises when it’s people hanging out and sleeping in town, socializing and such, because even if you have a blight clay equipped, you have the issue of the person who’s using status healing moves being active and thus arguing can ensue. Blight Clay in that case doesn’t solve the problem, because yeah you’re asleep, but cuz you’re active you will talk to the person doing it and thus drama.
I apologize if I made any sort of arguing or enemies made, not my intention in the slightest. The last thing I wanna make on this game is enemies, but I just wanted to kinda suggest and somewhat vent my frustration.
Idk, anxiety go brr, anyway yeah I’m sorry
Edit: To add, what would modmailing do in that situation? Muting wouldn’t prevent them from trying to wake you up, and a ban is too harsh in that case. Realistically speaking, what would staff do?
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What are you talking about? No enemies here! You brought up good points, and I appreciate that. Honestly, it is a valid concern to have, especially if it happens during socializing like that. And it does bring up a good point that you probably will be socializing and not think about getting Blight Clay.
I still feel like making the workaround more accessible would still help out a lot more than outright banning the refresh moves in town, but I understand the frustration. Hopefully we can think of a good solution that can be a good middleground for everyone. :>
Edit: Also, I suppose that’s also true with ModMail. Trying to report Refresh spam against someone is one thing, but in terms of punishment, there’s no “ban user from using moves in town” thing programmed. It’s definitely something that’s really in that gray area of punishment. I suppose the mods could send the user to jail and give them a stern warning, and subsequent harassment could be met with a bigger punishment of a temp ban.
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I appreciate your kind reply, it does help me calm down bout this whole thing. I do understand what everyone has said and I do think that yeah, maybe just disabling the moves entirely does seem a bit too of a jump.
I do think that Lunar Dance and Heal Bell does seem kinda fair to disable in a sense though, given that they’re AOEs and I highly doubt anyone would use those to wake themselves up unless it’s a misinput, but I dunno just trying to think of some roundabout solution in a sense.
Edit: I forgot Aromatherapy exists, but yeah I think the large AOE moves seem kinda reasonable?
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True. I remember staff having to create a cooldown for full-room AOE moves in Grassroot because everyone kept spamming it and causing lag and crashes for everyone. I feel like those moves are reasonable to restrict because anyone can catch a Refresher spammer. Perhaps we could have any room-wide moves always miss in town? Though programming that may be another ball of wax…
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