Egg exclusive recruits

Hi!

A lot of pokémon have been stuck as egg exclusive recruits for many, many years. This was a nice concept, but I think with shinies being a thing these days, it’s a bit outdated. Shiny eggs are a thing as well now, as of Easter HC. But that makes me question, how would one even hunt these egg exclusive shinies? Rates are global for eggs, so they’re likely not going to be very good (considering a lot of eggs are easy to get, you don’t want easy global rates).

I think we need to find a solution for this problem, and not keep sleeping on it. All these recruits have been locked in a vault for 1.5 years after shinies released, not being able to be hunted. Here’s a quick list of egg exclusive recruits (apologies if I forgot any):

  • Shinx
  • Cubone
  • Munchlax
  • Lapras
  • Dedenne
  • Tyrogue
  • Wishiwashi
  • Turtonator
  • Meditite
  • Larvesta
  • Carnivine
  • Meowth
  • Igglybuff
  • Cleffa
  • Happiny
  • Espurr
  • Dewpider (only available egg+overworld)
  • Passimian
  • Oranguru
  • Dratini*
  • Gible*

In my opinion, I think we should make everything recruits, just like regular PMD games. Like, I wouldn’t know a better fix for this problem, unless egg specific shiny rates are possible to exist.

“But Levy, eggs will lose value from this!”

I actually don’t think they do. With shiny rates being added to eggs, I find myself picking up every egg I see in dungeons. Eggs actually have a LOT of value now. I prefer these pokémon being able to be shiny hunted, rather than locked up in eggs for more several years without a solution being found.

So yeah, if anyone has a better solution or a different take on this, feel free to give your opinion. If you do agree with me on this, I’m happy to hear as well (or just upvote).

*these pokémon are probably excluded from this discussion, but are listed because they’re also egg exclusives

I would definitely like to have most, if not, all of these Pokemon be somewhat placed in dungeons as recruits for sure. I’m not sure if too many people will like the idea of running Crescent Islet multiple times for a 5%(?) chance of a Lapras egg, then another RNG roll for it to be shiny. Or having to climb 55 floors of Starlit Lagoon to find Espurr Eggs on 6 floors which have such a low chance in general to contain Espurr themselves (from personal experience, having hunted at least 250 Starlit Eggs for it to only contain 1 Espurr). Having them added as normal recruits would benefit these Pokemon a lot.

With them added as recruits and keeping it in eggs as well, it gives you a two birds, one stone situation where you can hunt the certain mon in two ways.

I do hope these Pokemon do have a chance to be recruited normally in the near future, whether it’d be in the dungeon their eggs spawn or an entirely new dungeon.

v good post.

I don’t think we get anything out of keeping egg exclusive pokemon, and I honestly don’t see shiny hunting a specific pokemon via eggs taking off. Both recruiting and eggs serve a different purpose in my eyes, with recruiting being a way of hunting a specific shiny for yourself/for others with shiny bounties and all that, and shiny eggs being in the back, with one either getting the shiny pokemon they were hunting or just some other shiny.

I do think something should be done about Dratini and Gible, though. They’re finally able to be shiny ofc, but they share the same rate as any other egg. Which means that it’s abnormally low for what it takes to grind out their keys. (moreso Dratini, since Gible at least has the labyrinth for easier Rupi grinding). Is there any reason why they can’t just be turned into a recruit like the other key pokemon and given a shiny rate? (Other key pokemon are 1/20 I think? Can be a bit lower if people still want those two to be rarer or whatever, while not being crazy low for what it takes to get them atm.)

Alright, I’ll respond to this-

I’m in full agreement with not only the original post, but the comments above. I really do not see a bad thing about egg exclusive Pokémon having being added a recruit in the same dungeon, or other dungeons, since it’ll give variety to being able to hunt certain Pokémon. Like Abra said, Lapras is easily going to be one of the worst hunts in the game with a 5%(I believe at least) egg drop from a boss of a dungeon you first have to run 28 floors of, remember to bring cut to use to get into the depths, do the depths, and then fight the boss at a chance of the egg, on top of the 1/? chance it needs to roll to end up shiny. Espurr is another great example that it is an egg, ON WALLS which means unless you have a trawl orb, requires a ghost type, mobile scarf, or extreme luck with getting a gummi effect, to get the egg, let alone its a 1% egg find iirc, AND its hidden too if I’m not mistaken? When it can’t even evolve yet due to complications with the evolution editor, I think it deserves a recruit, as well as the others. Dedenne is not all that great stats wise, but its stuck in a 5% egg in Deep Thunderstorm Forest, which again like Lapras, also has to roll the chance to be shiny. It allows egg exclusives to be able to be hunted in a different way, and even if they are added among other recruits, at least being able to hunt it and be able to gift it or just a chance at recruiting would help a bunch. Also like Elaye said, I really think that Dratini and Gible could maybe use a sort of honey spawn, and have a high rate like other key Pokémon, except maybe even better due to having to grind a currency to get the key.

All in all, egg exclusive Pokémon were nice to see and at least allowed Pokémon to be released, but now that egg shinies are a thing, egg rates being universal, will make some eggs so hard to hunt, that some people could potentially lose their mind. As someone who has been hunting Shiny Lapras in HC and have had no luck, I dread going to Crescent Islet Depths to hunt it after HC. Especially since shiny rates for eggs will be a lot more rare once it ends in a few hours. It won’t devalue eggs at all, in fact with shiny eggs I will be inclined to pick them up more often since you never know when you’ll hatch a shiny, but at the same time with how hard some egg exclusive Pokémon are to get, to them have to roll the chance for it to be shiny, I think they should also have a recruitable option.

-cracks knuckles- time to actually vent without fear of punishment.

before anything can change, we’ll need staff members that actually care about extending gameplay and making it feel rewarding. but staff don’t care about making things rewarding. they only care about “oh no players are leaving because there’s nothing to do! time to add something new that’s really just a different sprite that you get from the same mechanics!”

it’s the same principle as arcade games/old console games. instead of making more game, they just made a hard game so people would sink hours into getting good at beating it.

so yeah. years of salt finally expelled and i don’t care if i get punished for my opinion. i don’t play this crummy game anymore anyway.

I really apologize if you thought simply being disappointed with the general gameplay loop of the game would result in any sort of punishment - it won’t. This upsets me because my primary goal as a staff member (and of the staff team at large as well !) has been to encourage users to voice their frustrations to staff and to be comfortable doing so. For users to still feel like they might get punished for simply voicing an opinion represents to me that I have completely failed at this aspect, and will need to better evaluate why that is. Regardless, I highly encourage you to reach out to me to talk things through if you are willing. I genuinely try to do my best to listen, and I know I am not perfect, but I hope that it does come through that we do care about the players’ opinions on the game. Genuinely, the PMU staff team wants the same thing as its players - for PMU to be an enjoyable experience for all, and many changes have been made in pursuit of this goal.

That said, it might be best for me to offer some more transparency on what goes on behind the scenes when we make our decisions with shiny rates. Just to preface this whole spiel, I am not the one who directly sets shiny rates. However, I have seen the process and have personally worked with the staff members who have set them, so I will still try to explain it as best as I can.

There’s a lot that goes into deciding what to do with shinies, but I will boil it down to two basic considerations:

  1. Shiny hunting shouldn’t be something that tortures a person by being overly difficult for no reason. In other words, it shouldn’t be near impossible.
  2. We also want someone’s effort with shinies to feel like it means something to them and not trivialize the pursuit. This aspect is particularly hard because everyone has different opinions on what a “worthy” hunt entails, or on what a shiny even means to them.

Being the one to make a judgment call when you’re balancing these aspects is an insanely difficult situation to be in, and it entails a lot of work that often ends up thankless - any mistake in setting a rate tends to result in a lot of criticism. At the end of the day, not everyone will be pleased as well, as much as it pains us.

I do not mean this to say that we should be immune to any negative comments, but rather, I just want to say that we do not seek to punish players with our actions and we care a ton about making sure anything we do is done fairly. If you EVER feel any staff member is doing something to the contrary, report them immediately because a. I don’t know of any current staff member who would be okay with that behavior ever and b. it might just be a misunderstanding and we would want to resolve that asap.

That said, for anyone who wishes to discuss this topic further, I highly encourage opening up a separate thread or even reach out to us directly so that we do not distract too far from the original suggestion! To respond to the initial thread topic and not throw anything too far off course - I (speaking for myself and not the staff team ofc) definitely think it is worth opening the discussion on ways to approach egg exclusivity, and while I would rather egg exclusives still be kept around in some way, I also understand that it isn’t necessarily pragmatic. For some Pokemon, there simply is not a great option around at the moment to give a valid hunt in the current form, and for some things on this list like Meditite/Cubone/Dedenne/etc., releasing them outside of egg exclusives is definitely possibility. I admittedly find the method of obtainment for Meditite, Cubone, and Dedenne a bit odd at the moment in general, especially with regards to rarity.

The staff team also knows that there’s a whole new complication when it comes to ID spawns that would also have to be looked at down the line as well. While not directly related to the original suggestion, I wanted to mention it to emphasize we’re always looking at and evaluating our methods, and will definitely consider the suggestion and see how we can best resolve the problem at hand, although it might not necessarily happen exactly as suggested.

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At the risk of being a parrot, I definitely agree with everything posted here in regards to egg hunting vs recruits.
I think there is a usefulness in egg shinies as a mechanic, since they require less preparation than normal recruits (you don’t have to send a mon home, you don’t have to bait them out with honey, you don’t have to have recruit items), and they eliminate that secondary dice roll of recruiting that drives a lot of players up the wall.

However, there are a lot of advantages with recruiting shinies that outshine egg hunting. Being able to spawn multiple of a mon than appeared on the floor with honey, not needing inventory space, being able to share your shinies especially, and actually knowing what you’re looking at.

Personally I feel like even though having both is the clear preferred option, if I had to choose between the two I’d have every mon as a recruit rather than an egg. But of course eggs alongside regular recruits is the ideal option as it allows for multiple chances, routes and avenues at the same mon, and in the case of some dungeons, it expands the collections of mons that can be hunted it that dungeon.

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This topic is pretty well covered and explained. The only things I’ll like to add are:

1.- Have a “Friendly” amount of shiny chance for those eggs. indeed Lapras, Wishiwashi and others will be quite painful to shiny hunt from eggs if they are already hard to get (Same situation with recruitable shiny but that’s off topic) even more with specific, long and high effort to get one egg. Example Phione, it has 10% to be shiny, I think this egg exclusive recruits it needs this type of rates (or a bit higher for those that are still more rare and harder to get than Phione…).

2.- Balance way more the shiny rates of recruitable pokemon, make a rarity chart and value deeply watching (Don’t make it public, emotional pain can be seen that way…) and testing (play the dungeon) the odds not only when the shiny spawns (something related Seedlings commented earlier today), also it has to be seen how rare is to find and how many runs can take, I’m hunting a second shiny tepig to show this point. Because somehow I feel… the common recruits that are supposed to be more rare to spawn as shiny, they do like a rare recruit is supposed to do, and the rare recruits that are supposed to be more commonly to spawn as shiny, they do like a common recruit is supposed to do.

I think that way will make Shiny Recruits and Shiny Eggs worth with they own advantages and what they have to offer with.

@Kuma
1.- I literally just explained that this is the problem, and not the solution!! Eggs are global rates. If individual rates were a thing, it would’ve happened already, or a staff would’ve replied to any of our questions that this is possible.

And please stop bringing up phione on global and now in this thread, it’s not an actual egg pokémon.

My goal was to make it easier for both the community and Andy. So he doesn’t have to code all this stuff to make individual rates+the community being able to shiny hunt these pokémon without waiting another year or two.

2.- Why are you posting that here, it’s unrelated to the issues I’m posting in my thread ._.

K. I apologize for suggesting and being honest!

Guys… Peace and love… Egg exclusive recruits is not a place to fight… :bulbasad: (Make Bulbasaur happy again and don’t fight UwU)